Posts by Rex B13

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To: Rev B / Trinity vs Salvation

by Amazing in

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friends

hi rev b: you stated on my other thread that belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation in christendom.

not so.. i can go into almost any church and say that i am christian, believe in jesus christ as my personal savior, and will be accepted as such, without any comment or need to discuss the trinity.

i can even say that i don't accept the trinity, or literal hellfire, etc., and will still be accepted.. where the difference is, if i try to join that specific church as an official member with voting rights on church business, or hold an office of deacon, elder, or pastor, then a christian church will often require acceptance of the trinity for membership ... but not for salvation.

Rex B13

Hi Rev,
No answer to my links, old sod?

You blathered:
>there you really got me. uuhh that hurt. I will leave my faith and join babylon, they are sooo biblical.

>Now quiz boy, tell me where the angels are in this?

How do any angels fit in with the plural of God?

> Just think a bit.. let you scared mind rest for a moment... where are they in this? Do we hear of their creation..?? No, guess they were already there.....

Think a bit and quit weasling around.......

>What about Logos, the spokesman? Who was he? Who did he speak for?

In what context, brightboy? Logos is God and was with God, two separate persons right there in Genesis, the O.T. you crow about, old sod.

>Now quiz boy (to further debate or other 'proof' verses from you), if a king builds a castle, does he nessarily say: ohh I ordered Jack to be my masterbuilder and he had these guys working for him: (speaks for 15 minutes). Or do he just say: 'let my will be'!

None of which has anything to do with using scripture to interpret scripture, which is Sola Scriptura.

>Now what do you think trinitarian?

I think you need to refute my post and my links, then you can change the subject. Unlike your average door to door apathetic victim, I know just how idiotic Watchtower theology IS. Also, I am not letting you off till you refute my points. No JW dodge and weave here.
Rex

God Bless

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A Socialist defends Americans

by Rex B13 in

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for all of the anti-american cynics in range, here is a commentary from one of your own that plays a different tune, albeit a socialist one.

do any of our regulars sound much like this woman named 'raven', cited in the article?

(btw, i read the whole article).

Rex B13

Thanks for filling me in on that. Anarchy is a ridiculous proposition unless you are the "baddest mo fo in town". Ah, but even that has the "Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown" principle in effect.
;-)
Rex, who believes in "Equal Opportunity Offending"

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A Socialist defends Americans

by Rex B13 in

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friends

for all of the anti-american cynics in range, here is a commentary from one of your own that plays a different tune, albeit a socialist one.

do any of our regulars sound much like this woman named 'raven', cited in the article?

(btw, i read the whole article).

Rex B13

Hi Chris,
They will recognize themselves and probably crawl back under their usual rocks. ;-)

BTW, for someone who supports one of the most oppressive and citizen killing movements in history (USSR, China, RNK, Cambodia, Cuba, and the oppression of Eastern Europe) you have no reason to boast, nor right to critisize. Do you know what the worst thing is about your ideology? You claim to identify with unions yet you typically use them to promote anarchy, reduce workers to mindless drones who have no reason to be efficient and none to strive for excellence.
Your movement is a relic of history, you support a revolution that has been totally discredited and doesn't realize it is dead. You don't seem to recognize the difference between socialism and what you profess to be. Pot, kettle, black(er).
Cheers,
Rex

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To: Rev B / Trinity vs Salvation

by Amazing in

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friends

hi rev b: you stated on my other thread that belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation in christendom.

not so.. i can go into almost any church and say that i am christian, believe in jesus christ as my personal savior, and will be accepted as such, without any comment or need to discuss the trinity.

i can even say that i don't accept the trinity, or literal hellfire, etc., and will still be accepted.. where the difference is, if i try to join that specific church as an official member with voting rights on church business, or hold an office of deacon, elder, or pastor, then a christian church will often require acceptance of the trinity for membership ... but not for salvation.

Rex B13

....and you still have five links to go. None of your objections are not covered.

Here's a quiz for extra credit:
ASV Genesis 1:1-3
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

KJV John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

a) What three persons of the Godhead are conatined in these two scriptures.
b) Whom was God speaking to in Genesis 1.27 when He referred to Himself in the plural?
Have a nice day, Russellite.
Rex

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modern day prophets

by Julie in

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friends

lately i have seen it pointed out that the bible is indeed inspired, if only the parts that contain prophecy (that of course have "come true").

this compelled me to make the comment that anyone with any knowledge of the ways of humankind can be a pretty accurate prophet.. prophecy, in one form or another, has been a necessary skill for all sorts of people throughout the ages.

anyone who needed to come up with a strategy needed to be an accurate prophet.

Rex B13

Hi SS,
I am not totally in agreement with Chilton but he does do a great interpretation of Revelation and Matthew 24. I'm not really sure exactly where I am at on eschatology. I guess you could say that I am a "Pan-millenialist".
Someday Jesus will return, we'll be raptured and it will all PAN out in the end. ;-)
Rex

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If you could give a talk at the kingdom hall ...

by sleepy in

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friends

if you could give a talk at the kingdom hall what would you say?.

some of us here are still considered witnesses by our local congregations but have stopped going.. imagine though you were to go back for a few weeks and you were asked to give a 5 minute talk.. would you chicken out of saying anything controversial or would you give it all you've got.. what would you chose to talk about?

Rex B13

Well Pat,
>Hi Sleepy, If i could give a talk, I'd like to give one about the dinasours' being the fatal flaw to the bible. :-)

Oooh, but you wouldn't remark about the human and dino footprint withing a few feet of each other, or maybe the single tooth of a pig made into a "missing link", or the fake skull that fooled scientists for forty years (I love the 'forty years' duration of the hoax, God does have a sense of humor!), or the ice age evidences that are also flood evidences?
Have a nice day in your comfy little world-view.
Rex

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To: Rev B / Trinity vs Salvation

by Amazing in

jw
friends

hi rev b: you stated on my other thread that belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation in christendom.

not so.. i can go into almost any church and say that i am christian, believe in jesus christ as my personal savior, and will be accepted as such, without any comment or need to discuss the trinity.

i can even say that i don't accept the trinity, or literal hellfire, etc., and will still be accepted.. where the difference is, if i try to join that specific church as an official member with voting rights on church business, or hold an office of deacon, elder, or pastor, then a christian church will often require acceptance of the trinity for membership ... but not for salvation.

Rex B13

Rev Bill,

"Too me" has very little to do with it. Sola Scritura is a good thing to remember, otherwise, you end up with a false gospel.
Rex

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To: Rev B / Trinity vs Salvation

by Amazing in

jw
friends

hi rev b: you stated on my other thread that belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation in christendom.

not so.. i can go into almost any church and say that i am christian, believe in jesus christ as my personal savior, and will be accepted as such, without any comment or need to discuss the trinity.

i can even say that i don't accept the trinity, or literal hellfire, etc., and will still be accepted.. where the difference is, if i try to join that specific church as an official member with voting rights on church business, or hold an office of deacon, elder, or pastor, then a christian church will often require acceptance of the trinity for membership ... but not for salvation.

Rex B13

Hey Amazing,
Accepting someone for fellowship and discipling is great and we do welcome all who want to join in worship and praise. However, you seem to try to paint a picture that doctrine doesn't matter in most churches. Preaching the gospel accurately is an awesome responsibility and error is corrected, but not in the heavy-handed methods of cults like the Watchtower.
You put a little twist on things. The trinity as an abstract is not needed for salvation. It is often one of the 'rules of thumb' to detect pseudo-Christian sects and cults. No one has said explicitly, "No, you can't be saved" (though that may be the opinion of the writers in some of the links that I posted).
Let's get right down to it though. In John 8.23-24, Speaking to the pharisees, our Lord states, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM the one I claim to be (and many passages confirm that He was claiming to be God; equal to the Father) you will indeed die in your sins."
Later on, He gives them the old I AM again (8.58) and they try to stone Him for blasphemy because He still claimed to be God. Seven times Jesus directly identifies Himself as Yahweh. Many more times by inferrence and the Jews clearly expected the messiah to be deity. This is the correct context of the scripture.

Each one who chooses salvation should get this clear. If not, Jesus clearly states that you "will die in your sins" and in the N.T., 'death' signifies eternal damnation. So, do we deny His deity? That's up to you, but I am not going to say that its OK!
Now, when Jesus imparts the Holy Spirit the context again moves to deity. The H.S. is clearly a person, as is the Father and the Son. All three demonstrate the attributes of deity, thus we have tri-unity, or trinity. Any of the links that I provided you can clearly show you why this is scriptural.
Denying Christ or denying the Holy Spirit is clearly not a good idea if one claims to be in 'salvation'. I would rather err on the side of caution than advise people to accept anything less.
I think that one thing you do, Amazing, is consistently present a "new age" view of Bible teachings that does not line up with scripture, rather it "tickles the ears" instead of honestly confronting people with the gospel.
I hope that isn't too blunt. If we seek to teach, we have a greater responsibility and will be called to account if we "water down" the gospel.
Later,
Rex

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A Socialist defends Americans

by Rex B13 in

jw
friends

for all of the anti-american cynics in range, here is a commentary from one of your own that plays a different tune, albeit a socialist one.

do any of our regulars sound much like this woman named 'raven', cited in the article?

(btw, i read the whole article).

Rex B13

For all of the anti-American cynics in range, here is a commentary from one of your own that plays a different tune, albeit a Socialist one. Do any of our regulars sound much like this woman named 'Raven', cited in the article?
(BTW, I READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/rads-s22.shtml

Enjoy!
Rex

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modern day prophets

by Julie in

jw
friends

lately i have seen it pointed out that the bible is indeed inspired, if only the parts that contain prophecy (that of course have "come true").

this compelled me to make the comment that anyone with any knowledge of the ways of humankind can be a pretty accurate prophet.. prophecy, in one form or another, has been a necessary skill for all sorts of people throughout the ages.

anyone who needed to come up with a strategy needed to be an accurate prophet.

Rex B13

Hi Unc!

>ooo oo rex, can i answer this one? lol . It's very simple Rex. The gospel writers wrote their accounts under the influence of Paul, long after Jesus was dead. (but i think i might have told ya that already ;)

unclebruce

Sorry, bloke. The gospel of Matthew is extant since at least 42 a.d. All of the N. T. was completed before the accurately predicted destruction fo Jerusalem and it's temple. Even Revelation was finished before 70 a.d. You might read David Chilton's "Days of
Vengeance" for the lowdown on this.
Besides that, how did the most zealous persecutor of the cult of Christ become it's lean preacher and teacher? And, how in the world could all of these apostles and well known Christians "live a lie" even unto their deaths as martyrs?
Paul testified before the Jews and the Romans as if the whole deal with Christ was an established fact with "many being alive yet who could testify to His resurrection". Sheesh, even the Pharisees could only claim that Christ's miracles were from Satan. They did not deny that He did them. How telling is that, Unc?

Then they claim that Christ's followers got past Roman guards and rolled away the massive tombstone, or the preposterous notion that Christ was not completely dead and could do so himself? LOL

Rex